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Ritchie Coster as Shinwell Johnson and Morris Chestnut as Dr. John Watson —
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Ritchie Coster Talks John and Shinwell Conversation, New Romance

by jummy84 November 4, 2025
written by jummy84

What To Know

  • In Watson Season 2 Episode 4, Shinwell struggles emotionally after a patient’s amputation.
  • Ritchie Coster explains why Shinwell doesn’t get what he wanted when he spoke with Watson about the heartbreak of the job.
  • The episode introduces Senior Charge Nurse Carlin DeCosta, sparking a slow-building, mature romantic dynamic with Shinwell.

[Warning: The below contains MAJOR spoilers for Watson Season 2 Episode 4 “Happy When It Rains.”]

“Shinwell needed Watson to be a little more human at that point,” Ritchie Coster admits of a key moment between the doctor (Morris Chestnut) and his righthand man.

The latest Watson episode offered a look at a day in the life of Shinwell as a nursing student, and that included being unable to do anything when a patient he was fond of had to have his leg amputated due to a flesh-eating bacteria/fungus. He wondered if it was his fault, and Watson assured him it wasn’t — he was the only one who realized something was going on with multiple patients showing similar symptoms. Watson also told him that, to deal with the heartbreak of the job, he remembers that for every sad outcome, there are dozens of good ones. Spending time on the roof, watching the rain, doesn’t hurt either. A flashback revealed that Watson and Mary (Rochelle Aytes) met up there after their first date, danced, and kissed.

This episode also introduced Senior Charge Nurse Carlin DeCosta (Margot Bingham), who’s the student preceptor at UHOP. Near the end of the episode, he asked who takes care of her since she looks after her girls (her students). He also shared that he figured out what to say to his patient, that he knows what it’s like to have to rethink everything about yourself. She told him he did good and he’ll make a great nurse. While she didn’t know who he was before, she was glad to get to know who he is now.

Below, Ritchie Coster previews Shinwell’s new romance and breaks down that important Watson and Shinwell conversation.

DeCosta’s character description says that Shinwell’s commitment and loyalty catch her off guard, stirring curiosity and perhaps a bit of desire. They have that great conversation at the end of this episode. What is that dynamic like going forward?

Ritchie Coster: It moves slowly, and I like it for that. I like relationships that build up over the course of a season or a couple of seasons. So, when they actually come to fruition, so to speak, you are dying for it to happen. We are filming Episode 12 at the moment. Things are moving slowly.

What’s the appeal of that relationship for him? It seems like it’s simpler than everyone else in his life.

Yeah, I think that’s right. It is simpler and it’s clearer. What I like about — we’ll call it the romance for the moment — the romance and it moving slowly is that it strikes me as a couple of grownups meeting each other and recognizing instantly that they have some sort of connection to each other. But they’re both grownups, they’ve both been around the block, so, it’s lovely to play because it’s not ripping one’s shirt off and it’s not Wuthering Heights. It’s like two grownups in the place where they work and there’s something modest about it I really like.

How much is he struggling though with the fact that she doesn’t know about his past?

That is a good question, and there’s a moment at the end of this episode where Shinwell says to her about completely rethinking oneself. And I think that’s as far as he can go with telling her who he actually was. It’s a struggle and I don’t know how it is — I am waiting to see how that is, how that develops, and how much of a problem that actually does become. Because the worse the crimes are, the more fun it is to play. The heavier the baggage that I’m carrying, the more satisfying it’s going to be when I actually get to release that baggage and move on, having forgiven myself.

Then there’s that great conversation between Shinwell and Watson, which, I just love that dynamic in general —

Me too.

Watson talks about the heartbreak of the job and remembering the good ones and why Ben is both. How much did that help Shinwell and how much did Watson’s words actually get through to him? He’s still in the early stages of seeing this.

That was really well spotted. I like that scene. Shinwell comes to Watson for something for help with this, and Watson is so very encouraging and magnanimous and benevolent and says, “It’s not your fault. This is just — you’ve got to remember the good things.” And it sounds a little like Watson speak, and I think Shinwell was coming to him for something more personal, for something that could be said between Shinwell and John, between two old friends. I think Shinwell needed Watson to be a little more human at that point.

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And so the way we played it is that towards the end of the scene when Watson’s wrapped up, Shinwell walks away and he hasn’t quite got what he needed, which was just some sort of a really personal connection, a real intimacy, and a secret perhaps of Watson’s. And he goes away kind of dissatisfied, and Watson says this thing about, you know what the other thing is, you can just go up to the roof and sit in the rain, which talks of a humanity and an honesty, and it’s not quite a revelation, but it’s a hint of the things Watson does to deal with. And I think that’s enough, just enough. The shot that we use for when Shinwell finally departs, there’s a little smile that I hope says, “Oh, that’s it. That’s what I needed.”

Yeah, especially because we see at the end with the flashback why the roof is so special to Watson and to Mary.

Yes.

Watson did give something to Shinwell, even if he doesn’t realize it at that point because it’s like, how much does he know about that past? He may not, but I think if he did, he would feel that he did really get what he wanted.

That’s really perceptive of you and I hadn’t thought of that. Watson actually gives Shinwell his personal space that he uses, and Mary uses as well for their very personal reasons. And I think I hadn’t realized, I hadn’t recognized that it’s a personal invitation from Watson to say, you can have this little part of my life.

The thing is it doesn’t seem like Shinwell knows that. So it kind of feels like Shinwell might feel like there’s still a bit of distance then between the two that maybe because of the events of last year, even if they seem to be moving forward. So that’s still not something that Shinwell would know necessarily.

No, but I foresee perhaps a scene that will probably never get written with a similar conversation and Shinwell just reaches out and slaps Watson and says, “Can you just be honest with me for one minute? I don’t need a pep talk. I don’t need encouragement. I need to see who you are.”

Watson, Mondays, 10/9c, CBS

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Madonna contemplated suicide during the custody battle over her son Rocco Ritchie
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Madonna contemplated suicide during the custody battle over her son Rocco Ritchie

by jummy84 September 30, 2025
written by jummy84

30 September 2025

Madonna contemplated suicide during the custody battle over her son Rocco Ritchie.

Madonna contemplated suicide during the custody battle over her son Rocco Ritchie

Describing the period as one of the most painful of her life, the 67-year-old singer made the admission during her first podcast interview, a two-hour conversation with On Purpose with Jay Shetty.

She also spoke about how spirituality helped her endure dark moments, including the legal fight with her former husband Guy Ritchie in 2016.

Madonna said: “There were moments in my life I wanted to cut my arms off… I actually contemplated suicide.

“I would say probably one of the most painful moments in my life where I honestly couldn’t see the forest for the trees was when I went through a custody battle with my son.

“Even though my marriage didn’t work out… I mean a lot of people’s marriages don’t work out. They marry the wrong people. They’re not aligned. They’re not meant for each other. Someone trying to take my child away from me was like, they might as well just kill me. That’s really how I was thinking. “And I was on tour at the time, so I had to go on stage every night. I would just be lying on the floor of my dressing room sobbing. I really thought it was like it was the end of the world. I couldn’t take it. I just couldn’t take it.”

Madonna became involved in the custody dispute when Rocco, then 16, chose to remain in London with his father while she was touring with Rebel Heart.

After a lengthy legal process, a settlement was reached that allowed him to stay in the UK.

She and Guy had divorced in 2008.

The singer, who has six children, said she is now “good friends” with Rocco.

She credited her faith for helping her endure:

Madonna added: “But thank God I don’t feel that way anymore… I’m happy to say that I’m really good friends with my son but I couldn’t see it then. I really thought it was the end of the world. So, you know, thank God I had a spiritual life.”

In the podcast interview, her first in nine years, Madonna also spoke about reconciling with her brother Christopher Ciccone before his death in June 2024 at the age of 63, following a battle with throat cancer.

She said: “For my brother, I didn’t speak to him for three years. Years and years. And it was him being ill and reaching out to me and saying, ‘I need your help’, that means having that moment, like, ‘Am I gonna help my enemy?’ And I just did.”

Madonna added: “It was such a load off my back, such a weight that was removed, baggage that was put down to finally be able to be in a room with him and holding his hand, even if he was dying, saying, ‘I love you and I forgive you.’ That was really important.”

The singer also described discovering Kabbalah in 1996 and the strength it gave her to align her life with purpose beyond the spotlight.

She has recently launched a new course, The Mystical Studies of the Zohar, with Kabbalah teacher Eitan Yardeni.

She said: “You need to be spiritual to be successful. Success is having a spiritual life, period. I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t have one.”




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